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--> 00:02:49,209 two-time candidate for the Pennsylvania 46 00:02:54,090 --> 00:02:52,030 House of Representatives as a young man 47 00:02:57,210 --> 00:02:54,100 Knots was chosen by the Boy Scouts of 48 00:02:59,430 --> 00:02:57,220 America as the first recipient of the 49 00:03:01,440 --> 00:02:59,440 handicapped awareness merit badge 50 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:01,450 because of his devotion to disabled 51 00:03:05,850 --> 00:03:03,010 students and his Eagle Scout project 52 00:03:09,270 --> 00:03:05,860 helped inspire the National scouting for 53 00:03:12,750 --> 00:03:09,280 food program Cody is just an all-around 54 00:03:14,910 --> 00:03:12,760 good guy and he's come out with a heck 55 00:03:17,570 --> 00:03:14,920 of a movie in my opinion there was an 56 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:17,580 incident which occurred on December 9th 57 00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:22,810 1965 in Kecksburg Pennsylvania when a 58 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:27,360 fireball was reported by citizens and 59 00:03:31,530 --> 00:03:29,650 astronomers said it was likely a meteor 60 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:31,540 burning up in the atmosphere and 61 00:03:37,289 --> 00:03:33,430 descending at a steep angle and high 62 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:37,299 rate of speed nASA released a statement 63 00:03:42,449 --> 00:03:40,450 in 2005 reporting that experts had 64 00:03:44,340 --> 00:03:42,459 examined fragments from the area and 65 00:03:47,310 --> 00:03:44,350 determined that they were from a Russian 66 00:03:51,569 --> 00:03:47,320 satellite but records of their findings 67 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:51,579 were lost in the 1990s NASA responded 68 00:03:56,009 --> 00:03:53,769 the court orders and the Freedom of 69 00:03:58,229 --> 00:03:56,019 Information Act requesting to search the 70 00:04:01,160 --> 00:03:58,239 records the incident gained wide 71 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:01,170 notoriety in popular culture and ufology 72 00:04:08,850 --> 00:04:04,750 with speculations ranging from alien 73 00:04:10,570 --> 00:04:08,860 craft to debris from possibly even a 74 00:04:13,270 --> 00:04:10,580 Soviet space probe 75 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:13,280 and it's often referred to as 76 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:16,970 Pennsylvania's Roswell well today we are 77 00:04:22,570 --> 00:04:19,370 going to delve into Pennsylvania's 78 00:04:24,820 --> 00:04:22,580 Roswell with the man with the plan he 79 00:04:26,770 --> 00:04:24,830 just made a film about it which is super 80 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:26,780 cool has some of the best 81 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:29,380 I think representations of what happened 82 00:04:36,730 --> 00:04:33,680 and without further ado mr. Cody knots 83 00:04:40,570 --> 00:04:36,740 welcome to the hyper anomalous esoteric 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:40,580 research organization podcast oh well 85 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:41,930 not so good a date that's all he's 86 00:04:51,340 --> 00:04:47,210 losing a football right yeah yeah that's 87 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:51,350 that's not good and I'm well we live at 88 00:04:58,770 --> 00:04:54,890 West Point so we kind of a obligation 89 00:05:01,120 --> 00:04:58,780 route that's awesome I don't blame ya 90 00:05:04,210 --> 00:05:01,130 Kecksburg UFO incident has been 91 00:05:07,660 --> 00:05:04,220 gathering a lot of momentum since about 92 00:05:10,270 --> 00:05:07,670 the 90s when when there were files that 93 00:05:15,130 --> 00:05:10,280 claim to be lost or they couldn't find 94 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:15,140 them and I couldn't be more excited when 95 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:17,780 I saw that you were making a film about 96 00:05:24,430 --> 00:05:22,040 it it was really cool because as often 97 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:24,440 times is done it seemed like it kind of 98 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:30,490 Hillary Clinton demanding the record 99 00:05:37,409 --> 00:05:34,090 during her presidential campaign so I 100 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:37,419 thought that was pretty interesting and 101 00:05:45,190 --> 00:05:39,770 you know luckily History Channel a 102 00:05:49,630 --> 00:05:45,200 nation a ladies and stuff great that's 103 00:05:52,180 --> 00:05:49,640 true that's true and the the popular 104 00:05:56,020 --> 00:05:52,190 culture around ufology it seems like it 105 00:05:58,420 --> 00:05:56,030 oftentimes this particular incident is 106 00:06:02,710 --> 00:05:58,430 kind of well it's known as 107 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:02,720 Pennsylvania's Roswell and I wanted to 108 00:06:10,780 --> 00:06:06,290 know making your film you must have 109 00:06:15,159 --> 00:06:10,790 encountered more insight into this than 110 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:15,169 a lot of us have and it it was more than 111 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:18,370 just a brilliant fireball wasn't it oh 112 00:06:26,499 --> 00:06:24,770 yeah if it was a 113 00:06:29,589 --> 00:06:26,509 you know they had the whole interruption 114 00:06:31,719 --> 00:06:29,599 satellite well then again why would you 115 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:31,729 have not just announced that when when 116 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:37,280 click gnashing the records and if that's 117 00:06:41,499 --> 00:06:39,289 when the problems I have it's the story 118 00:06:44,219 --> 00:06:41,509 keeps changing versus the media or and 119 00:06:46,809 --> 00:06:44,229 they say it's a Russian satellite 120 00:06:49,059 --> 00:06:46,819 there's always these explanations 121 00:06:52,659 --> 00:06:49,069 none of which explain the control 122 00:06:56,559 --> 00:06:52,669 ourselves rather explain why the army 123 00:06:58,180 --> 00:06:56,569 ignored caustic immodest you know 124 00:07:00,040 --> 00:06:58,190 nothing none of that is explained well 125 00:07:02,649 --> 00:07:00,050 and most importantly the me is this 126 00:07:06,249 --> 00:07:02,659 Clinton get the records 127 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:06,259 and they don't give them to her and they 128 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:08,690 say they're listening that father's made 129 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:11,409 from plumbing work from politics to work 130 00:07:16,629 --> 00:07:12,860 mm-hmm 131 00:07:20,469 --> 00:07:16,639 yeah and and I think you know what's 132 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:20,479 strange is whatever did fall it seems 133 00:07:30,659 --> 00:07:25,280 like there was a lot more involvement 134 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:30,669 than you would expect for just a meteor 135 00:07:35,469 --> 00:07:33,050 did you tell us a little bit about that 136 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:35,479 and I mean you know state police work 137 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:38,210 yeah the fact that the military was 138 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:43,370 going on top of it the fact that they 139 00:07:47,050 --> 00:07:45,080 were they were tracking this coming in 140 00:07:50,350 --> 00:07:47,060 they immediately meant to have soldiers 141 00:07:54,850 --> 00:07:50,360 there they they break the wall was party 142 00:07:56,620 --> 00:07:54,860 tomorrow such modest all those are clear 143 00:07:58,559 --> 00:07:56,630 signs or something more going on they 144 00:08:02,529 --> 00:07:58,569 throw up the Russian satellite okay 145 00:08:04,899 --> 00:08:02,539 again why this many years later we're 146 00:08:07,059 --> 00:08:04,909 not getting the truth about why is the 147 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:07,069 presidential candidate wanting the 148 00:08:16,270 --> 00:08:11,300 information that's a huge place you know 149 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:16,280 we were in initially video that said you 150 00:08:20,740 --> 00:08:19,370 know what's the secret she can't what 151 00:08:23,620 --> 00:08:20,750 the hell is the secret of Clinton's 152 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:23,630 can't no that's that's one of the things 153 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:25,550 that always may have really deeply 154 00:08:31,149 --> 00:08:28,370 bothers me and if this is that people 155 00:08:34,390 --> 00:08:31,159 forget unlike Roswell this was seen by 156 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:34,400 more people we have thousands of 157 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:36,050 witnesses from Michigan all the way to 158 00:08:47,610 --> 00:08:45,900 that's unreal and it was I hope I this 159 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:47,620 is strange you're mentioning the 160 00:08:53,580 --> 00:08:49,120 politics but you're absolutely right 161 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:53,590 because Clinton was talking about one of 162 00:08:58,590 --> 00:08:55,680 one of the talking points are one of the 163 00:09:00,480 --> 00:08:58,600 things on the agenda was disclosure and 164 00:09:04,590 --> 00:09:00,490 and this does kind of fit in with that 165 00:09:08,190 --> 00:09:04,600 if it was not given that there's 166 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:08,200 possibly I don't want to say a cover-up 167 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:10,960 you never want to use that word but some 168 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:13,480 sort of prompting for a government 169 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:17,590 conspiracy of some sort well how many 170 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:25,530 people mm-hmm none okay 171 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:29,080 unsolved Hitler's I don't I don't know 172 00:09:32,190 --> 00:09:30,430 many people that have been killed that 173 00:09:33,810 --> 00:09:32,200 way doesn't come up on one of those 174 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:33,820 common methods of death 175 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:35,950 you have both people that would not like 176 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:38,800 your the story died the same way that's 177 00:09:47,970 --> 00:09:43,710 not it statistically very improbable yet 178 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:47,980 that's what happens and so that that 179 00:09:53,820 --> 00:09:50,710 causes thought that it couldn't speak 180 00:10:00,110 --> 00:09:53,830 total accident too many you know 40-some 181 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:00,120 years apart but it's still very strange 182 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:05,310 you know it's really cool that this a 183 00:10:11,550 --> 00:10:07,570 lot of people thought this was kind of 184 00:10:15,030 --> 00:10:11,560 laid to rest and with the premiere of 185 00:10:17,820 --> 00:10:15,040 your film and the I like the way that it 186 00:10:22,610 --> 00:10:17,830 follows the the real-life story of his 187 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:22,620 it's John Murphy is that correct yes and 188 00:10:31,170 --> 00:10:26,530 he was among the first to arrive on the 189 00:10:34,980 --> 00:10:31,180 scene if I'm not mistaken and he gets 190 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:34,990 pictures of whatever this mmm-hmm taking 191 00:10:41,370 --> 00:10:38,260 phones we interviewed or a documentary 192 00:10:43,940 --> 00:10:41,380 but we we did have his secretary at the 193 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:43,950 premiere only they get to talk to her 194 00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:49,120 Mabel Madison and she said the governor 195 00:10:53,490 --> 00:10:51,760 told him and she told me we 196 00:10:59,970 --> 00:10:53,500 the Constitution they never rise to do 197 00:11:03,030 --> 00:10:59,980 that well you know what was so important 198 00:11:05,730 --> 00:11:03,040 they needed to take folks that that's 199 00:11:09,450 --> 00:11:05,740 that's one of the tell-tale signs of I 200 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:09,460 think that this is not it was a woodland 201 00:11:15,660 --> 00:11:11,800 area if I'm not but mistaken but there's 202 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:15,670 there's a lot of homes and population 203 00:11:19,620 --> 00:11:17,650 around there and I think that's why so 204 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:19,630 many more people saw this than Roswell 205 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:24,370 and like you said it's thousands at 206 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:26,560 least six US states and even people in 207 00:11:35,790 --> 00:11:33,730 Canada yes so one of the people came to 208 00:11:39,870 --> 00:11:35,800 the premiere was from within Michigan 209 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:39,880 photometers in New York now but he you 210 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:41,260 know he's been waiting for this to 211 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:41,770 happen 212 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:44,050 and he called us and told me and still 213 00:11:47,610 --> 00:11:46,060 excited it comes through the stone and 214 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:47,620 it kinda shameless we accept the 215 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:50,050 premiere date before we had truly 216 00:11:55,380 --> 00:11:52,480 finalized the sound that at the sound 217 00:11:58,410 --> 00:11:55,390 design because we had we had to keep 218 00:12:01,490 --> 00:11:58,420 raising money itself it's just finished 219 00:12:04,380 --> 00:12:01,500 so we have we have a the film has been 220 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:04,390 you know this banquet of screaming that 221 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:10,410 we had 1400 people and we are now we've 222 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:14,950 finalizing an abbot for the LA City 223 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:17,050 narrative film work so we're gonna be 224 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:20,310 showing it a little cleaned up version 225 00:12:28,860 --> 00:12:24,070 you know it's mainly we added a couple 226 00:12:31,650 --> 00:12:28,870 scenes but it's mainly huh it's only the 227 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:31,660 issue that there's something not quite 228 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:33,970 right when you film on locations with 229 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:39,100 sound and you do the best you can I mean 230 00:12:44,190 --> 00:12:42,130 anything it's it's the nature of it 231 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:44,200 unless you're on a soundstage you're 232 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:47,770 always in have small issues yeah I 233 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:52,060 really love the the cinematography and I 234 00:12:59,490 --> 00:12:56,710 like that it's just so cool the way some 235 00:13:02,640 --> 00:12:59,500 of the images that you have of the film 236 00:13:05,580 --> 00:13:02,650 and and in the trailer in you know it's 237 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:05,590 it's I think it's really cool and anime 238 00:13:15,330 --> 00:13:10,170 historical way that you promoted this 239 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:15,340 the other question I had is the people 240 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:16,540 that did see this 241 00:13:22,470 --> 00:13:20,050 were there any involvement and I might 242 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:22,480 be leading you here you always hear 243 00:13:29,550 --> 00:13:25,270 about the men in black was any of that 244 00:13:31,590 --> 00:13:29,560 come up with the men black or a big part 245 00:13:33,270 --> 00:13:31,600 of our bill right right that's why I'm 246 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:33,280 kind of leading you here I want to kind 247 00:13:38,550 --> 00:13:36,730 of bring that up because we at the men 248 00:13:40,950 --> 00:13:38,560 in blacks organization attacked one of 249 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:40,960 the additional scenes we shot with the 250 00:13:47,820 --> 00:13:44,920 better explain them so we have a whole 251 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:47,830 back story we have we have a book on 252 00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:51,090 Amazon that's based on the film that is 253 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:55,270 basically it it's the men in black'''s 254 00:14:01,350 --> 00:13:57,730 view of the incident but from their 255 00:14:03,420 --> 00:14:01,360 perspective it's written from we have an 256 00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:03,430 agent called agent cut parliament the 257 00:14:08,670 --> 00:14:06,240 character's name he's played by Eric at 258 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:08,680 Eric's actually Iraq right now serving 259 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:13,920 his country during our country and so 260 00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:20,410 that is he summit and intelligence so 261 00:14:26,070 --> 00:14:23,080 it's a spoof in real life 262 00:14:28,410 --> 00:14:26,080 so that was kind of neat to have so the 263 00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:28,420 men in black we created the organization 264 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:30,670 both men and women 265 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:33,850 we have women and blacks also and we 266 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:37,600 show them performing their duties and 267 00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:39,250 anyway if someone's holding more 268 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:41,440 protocols which is terminate all 269 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:43,810 witnesses then both there's a much 270 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:45,130 better job of explaining the whole 271 00:14:51,060 --> 00:14:48,010 backstory I mean the film they're there 272 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:51,070 and we hear some of it but we we created 273 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:53,350 the book to give a better back spur in 274 00:14:59,280 --> 00:14:56,650 the minimum that is so cool and that is 275 00:15:02,100 --> 00:14:59,290 just always kind of goes hand in hand 276 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:02,110 with a lot of these situations or 277 00:15:07,290 --> 00:15:03,790 conspiracies where there seems to be 278 00:15:09,690 --> 00:15:07,300 some kind of a cover-up and I think a 279 00:15:12,780 --> 00:15:09,700 lot of people do kind of oddly you know 280 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:12,790 it goes down many paths but it's 281 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:14,320 important to remember that these men in 282 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:17,020 black are just doing a job 283 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:21,490 and it's on a need-to-know basis and it 284 00:15:26,699 --> 00:15:23,620 is it is a big part of you know 285 00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:26,709 Kecksburg and I think it reveals a lot 286 00:15:31,889 --> 00:15:30,040 of you know the intricacies of of what 287 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:31,899 goes into covering something up like 288 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:34,330 that the ability of the government to 289 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:36,730 rely on these people so I think 290 00:15:41,820 --> 00:15:38,050 listeners should definitely check that 291 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:41,830 book out also as far as your I know that 292 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:43,510 a lot of us I wanted to go to the 293 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:45,850 premiere I was unable to I was amazed by 294 00:15:52,199 --> 00:15:48,910 the numbers and it's pretty cool that 295 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:52,209 you had that many people show up to your 296 00:16:00,720 --> 00:15:54,670 premiere how did the premiere go I 297 00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:00,730 wanted to go so bad oh great yes other 298 00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:04,510 than I was upset about the sound issues 299 00:16:10,139 --> 00:16:08,560 which were one side us because I knew we 300 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:10,149 weren't finalized when cleaning up the 301 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:13,810 sound and to the fact that the old 302 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:16,330 theater has six year old speakers which 303 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:19,360 I love that theater but when you when 304 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:21,250 you have any distortion in your sound 305 00:16:25,949 --> 00:16:22,810 and if it's a six-year-old speaker 306 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:25,959 you're going to get loud and so with 307 00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:33,250 literally the the the the composer who 308 00:16:37,290 --> 00:16:35,260 helped with the sound was standing 309 00:16:41,819 --> 00:16:37,300 moving the game up in them to try and 310 00:16:44,190 --> 00:16:41,829 address who didn't stare at that's not 311 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:44,200 really a sound and we better you know 312 00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:46,630 some watch distance and we we cleaned it 313 00:16:51,750 --> 00:16:48,880 up we had to spend a lot of money I 314 00:16:55,889 --> 00:16:51,760 think we spent like when I didn't I 315 00:16:58,350 --> 00:16:55,899 thought the north end of town it's not a 316 00:17:02,880 --> 00:16:58,360 lot in this in this type of film but 317 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:02,890 it's just not time in time if I did if I 318 00:17:14,579 --> 00:17:10,290 counted the time as much in the cell so 319 00:17:17,699 --> 00:17:14,589 but it's almost done I'm finishing it 320 00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:17,709 that's what the three kings resident 321 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:27,140 I don't want impossible that's the key 322 00:17:30,990 --> 00:17:29,370 so but otherwise it went really well 323 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:31,000 people thing to have 324 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:32,470 you always have some people that don't 325 00:17:39,649 --> 00:17:34,840 like what are we to get in the film to 326 00:17:45,630 --> 00:17:39,659 get that any a complainer to okay 327 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:45,640 but overall people have engaged and I 328 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:47,770 and obviously we were thrilled with the 329 00:17:53,730 --> 00:17:50,890 result of revenue people comes because 330 00:17:55,649 --> 00:17:53,740 we knew there's an audience for and I 331 00:17:57,390 --> 00:17:55,659 thought it was really cool yeah I'm sure 332 00:17:59,850 --> 00:17:57,400 you know the speaker thing debt that is 333 00:18:01,409 --> 00:17:59,860 a bummer but it's really cool that you 334 00:18:03,659 --> 00:18:01,419 kind of kept it to the I mean the State 335 00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:03,669 Theatre is an older theatre kind of goes 336 00:18:08,370 --> 00:18:06,220 with the era if I'm not mistaken people 337 00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:08,380 actually showed up in older cars like it 338 00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:13,600 was really cool we did talk with dirty 339 00:18:22,529 --> 00:18:16,390 sauce so they were they were driven up I 340 00:18:24,659 --> 00:18:22,539 mean it was a really fun of that so we 341 00:18:27,570 --> 00:18:24,669 can I find I'm pleased with how it 342 00:18:33,390 --> 00:18:27,580 turned out it's insulting some doors for 343 00:18:42,210 --> 00:18:33,400 me to make other films already so that's 344 00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:42,220 all process then enlightens our based in 345 00:18:46,289 --> 00:18:44,590 truth and so that's what we started with 346 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:46,299 combination of history industry of 347 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:51,970 memory and that combination is good 348 00:19:00,029 --> 00:18:55,690 basis rather distort and we really 349 00:19:02,490 --> 00:19:00,039 enjoyed thing and luckily delight that's 350 00:19:04,649 --> 00:19:02,500 awesome it I think you did it justice 351 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:04,659 and that's the important thing 352 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:06,820 especially when it's something that I 353 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:08,530 don't believe has really gained 354 00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:11,350 widespread justice for what it was 355 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:14,980 considering how many people saw it the 356 00:19:20,669 --> 00:19:16,990 fact that it landed just outside of 357 00:19:23,159 --> 00:19:20,679 Kecksburg and getting into that the 358 00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:23,169 shape is very odd as an end it's kind of 359 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:34,150 an acorn shape applying April you know 360 00:19:39,539 --> 00:19:37,780 that it's so we had the we never had the 361 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:39,549 money we had hoped to have so we hadn't 362 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:44,840 we had one 363 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:47,730 but it wasn't what I folks today we 364 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:49,440 actually had the wrong button gentlemen 365 00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:51,660 and one of the search engine like dr. 366 00:19:58,130 --> 00:19:55,590 mole dr. Foy results and we have a whole 367 00:20:00,080 --> 00:19:58,140 interior we want to create and we want 368 00:20:02,030 --> 00:20:00,090 we were trying to state their motives to 369 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:02,040 build this which all horizontal we can 370 00:20:09,410 --> 00:20:06,570 get them to do it they took frustrated 371 00:20:14,540 --> 00:20:09,420 because they didn't see that the overall 372 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:14,550 body weight to be done well I think the 373 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:17,400 money that's John I think if anybody has 374 00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:19,890 not seen this it's definitely something 375 00:20:25,670 --> 00:20:23,790 to see and it's its availability I I 376 00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:25,680 know that it's on Vimeo could you tell 377 00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:26,940 our listeners where else they could 378 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:30,750 actually access the film well the film 379 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:32,610 stock public dates has over one where 380 00:20:36,830 --> 00:20:34,290 we're going to be showing it to film 381 00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:36,840 artists survivors so that's still going 382 00:20:42,170 --> 00:20:40,140 to become that's coming companies don't 383 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:42,180 know exactly when because it all depends 384 00:20:48,140 --> 00:20:45,630 on what we get for distribution bills so 385 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:48,150 I won't know anything for after 36 in 386 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:48,810 November 387 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,730 I'm really happy set and you like the 388 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:52,320 cinematography because we intentionally 389 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:55,890 did some things that some people don't 390 00:20:59,780 --> 00:20:57,690 understand like keeping some of the 391 00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,790 images softer rather than that really 392 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:02,480 deep something you get was digital today 393 00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:04,650 because I wanted it for looks more like 394 00:21:11,540 --> 00:21:10,380 Impressionism and you know we we've had 395 00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,550 some people that really loved it and 396 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:13,440 we've had some people that hated because 397 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:15,570 it's not where you see the digital 398 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:17,730 Nobles when you see everything and you 399 00:21:23,900 --> 00:21:19,650 can get all this stuff and mass of folks 400 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:23,910 and like I don't want to see all I want 401 00:21:30,620 --> 00:21:26,010 to have a dreamy feel but we 402 00:21:33,050 --> 00:21:30,630 intentionally did that way I really I 403 00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:33,060 really enjoyed the the things that I've 404 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:34,980 seen so far of it have been pretty 405 00:21:42,410 --> 00:21:39,960 amazing and I think I think it's true to 406 00:21:44,180 --> 00:21:42,420 the era and I mean other than being a 407 00:21:44,810 --> 00:21:44,190 black-and-white film I think that you 408 00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:44,820 nailed it 409 00:21:56,770 --> 00:21:53,070 so do everything just sharpen images the 410 00:21:58,490 --> 00:21:56,780 way you want to do it that's the power 411 00:22:00,169 --> 00:21:58,500 but I 412 00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:00,179 I want to be colored because that's how 413 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:02,580 people at the time and then we don't see 414 00:22:06,909 --> 00:22:06,000 in black and white you know so that 415 00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:06,919 that's part of it 416 00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,000 well I think the fruits of your labor 417 00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:11,280 show show more than my words can explain 418 00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,320 and I think all of our listeners as soon 419 00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,120 as this is available I will definitely 420 00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:17,120 let them know where they can find it 421 00:22:24,980 --> 00:22:20,960 because it's it's really cool and 422 00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:24,990 another thing Cody this the the actual 423 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:27,480 when the object landed if I'm not 424 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:30,750 mistaken there was like a wisp of blue 425 00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:33,690 smoke arising I think of a son and his 426 00:22:42,860 --> 00:22:39,030 mother saw it and that's really 427 00:22:45,159 --> 00:22:42,870 interesting because it for an object the 428 00:22:50,060 --> 00:22:45,169 shape of an acorn and it's large as a 429 00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,070 vehicle like a car there there was what 430 00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:53,280 appeared to be it reminds me of the 431 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:55,320 Rendlesham incident there was writing 432 00:22:59,180 --> 00:22:57,419 resembling hieroglyphics if I'm not 433 00:23:01,760 --> 00:22:59,190 mistaken is that correct around the base 434 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:01,770 of the object yes and so one of the 435 00:23:08,210 --> 00:23:05,010 things we did was created we had to 436 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:08,220 create the language and so dr. mom 437 00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:10,650 played the language we actually had that 438 00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:12,750 writers on there and then we translated 439 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:15,990 it inside the book not that we know what 440 00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,570 was on there specifically but for the 441 00:23:24,260 --> 00:23:21,120 film we had to create so we had a whole 442 00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:24,270 language created and plated and we base 443 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:27,630 it on the Native American language they 444 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:31,770 only had people speak this was part of 445 00:23:44,919 --> 00:23:39,470 me we have the aliens mmm in that land 446 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:44,929 so you fear them that's my wife voice 447 00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:47,490 but she had the run of the speak the 448 00:23:59,840 --> 00:23:57,419 language so cool and witnesses another 449 00:24:02,060 --> 00:23:59,850 interesting thing is witnesses reported 450 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:02,070 there was like not only at like an 451 00:24:07,399 --> 00:24:05,490 intense military president but that the 452 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:07,409 army secured the area if I'm not 453 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:15,460 autopilots there's no way to use 454 00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:16,890 [Music] 455 00:24:23,460 --> 00:24:21,400 especially 1965 there's been some things 456 00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:23,470 passed with the Patriot Act that ignores 457 00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:26,580 like so around Plus marks but in 65 458 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:29,020 there was enough question Heather lately 459 00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:33,850 blowing up to annoy unbelievable and and 460 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:36,040 so and so we play off of that because we 461 00:24:38,730 --> 00:24:37,570 have the scenes which I think the best 462 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:38,740 things in the film which is what 463 00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:41,080 President Johnson and the head of the 464 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:44,140 men in black which we made former 465 00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:45,970 general and governor and what governor 466 00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:51,070 Morrison and in Pennsylvania and then in 467 00:24:58,890 --> 00:24:55,150 real life was Jim Webb and Bill governor 468 00:25:01,530 --> 00:24:58,900 pence link we decided to put the men and 469 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:01,540 wife the President and I used Robert 470 00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,130 Byrd from West Virginia so we have 471 00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:07,360 someone in the room who didn't know 472 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:11,820 what's going on and the third is there 473 00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:16,090 at the audience so that when there needs 474 00:25:20,430 --> 00:25:17,679 to be exposition is explained 475 00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:20,440 organically there having explained the 476 00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:23,950 bird with that and some birds reactions 477 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:27,540 of the audience reactions there's aliens 478 00:25:37,710 --> 00:25:30,490 there's other life all these things are 479 00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:37,720 they were guilty and he has no idea and 480 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:39,340 he's also the one who's arguing you 481 00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:41,890 can't just kill people mmm-hmm you know 482 00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:44,590 you can't kill citizens the American 483 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:47,679 citizen you know you just can't break 484 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:52,090 the law so he he's always arguing for 485 00:25:58,770 --> 00:25:55,570 the Constitution as part of the sale and 486 00:26:01,530 --> 00:25:58,780 that's a really big part of what we the 487 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:01,540 films in the opening credits on it's 488 00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:04,809 it's a serious discussion of the 489 00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:06,940 constant search within the context of 490 00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:10,120 the self what does that mean it's not 491 00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:13,980 possible just a little difficult 492 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:16,630 within the context of the story because 493 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:20,530 they violated the bill break yeah and 494 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:23,290 like you said at the time we had a lot 495 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:25,970 more rights than we do now 496 00:26:32,539 --> 00:26:30,570 cousin in there you know we wanted to 497 00:26:34,009 --> 00:26:32,549 make it in that same context so I mean 498 00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:34,019 real life they blamed it on the Russians 499 00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:35,279 and it's one of the things they on the 500 00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:37,620 trailer and you blame it on the we 501 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:39,000 haven't come up with the idea blame you 502 00:26:46,009 --> 00:26:43,710 on the Russians yeah but in context of 503 00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:46,019 now you know having the president say 504 00:26:53,299 --> 00:26:48,059 the public always believes it's the 505 00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:53,309 Russians that's another subject you know 506 00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:55,529 which is interesting because people that 507 00:27:00,259 --> 00:26:58,500 are throw the president like that people 508 00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:00,269 that oppose such as don't like that we 509 00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:03,059 use aliens as a metaphor for illegal 510 00:27:10,460 --> 00:27:05,820 immigration and the bad guys trying to 511 00:27:12,499 --> 00:27:10,470 stop building or immigration so both 512 00:27:16,369 --> 00:27:12,509 sides have something they like and don't 513 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,379 like and that's hard to be avoided but 514 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:18,960 it's it's it's interesting that at that 515 00:27:23,899 --> 00:27:22,350 time I mean most notably I think you 516 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:23,909 know the thing that got me about the 517 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:28,590 whole situation is the local police if 518 00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:31,289 I'm not mistaken the United States Army 519 00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:39,929 told them to secure the area and they 520 00:27:47,419 --> 00:27:43,559 had right and and this all lead at the 521 00:27:49,129 --> 00:27:47,429 time now I guess we're my big this is 522 00:27:51,889 --> 00:27:49,139 this is something that I have to know 523 00:27:55,129 --> 00:27:51,899 and you hear things both ways but some 524 00:28:03,230 --> 00:27:55,139 report that there was an object removed 525 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:03,240 on a flatbed truck yes all the reports 526 00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:05,970 all being Gordon so instead of all this 527 00:28:10,879 --> 00:28:07,860 dan and I had a discussion about this 528 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:10,889 that it was absolutely the little is 529 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:13,919 next for whatever land there was from it 530 00:28:21,139 --> 00:28:18,120 now it ends up at wright-patterson but 531 00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:21,149 this is where the terrorists all the 532 00:28:28,369 --> 00:28:25,080 stories have them saying hey I saw some 533 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:28,379 of the gates great tax okay and people 534 00:28:33,619 --> 00:28:31,350 saw it drive in that direction I can 535 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:33,629 tell you with any category the fact that 536 00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:35,250 the military is not going to put 537 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:37,230 something that they have to hide on the 538 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:38,110 back bed of it 539 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:42,610 and drive it five hours to date from 540 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:45,190 southwestern theater not when they can 541 00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:46,450 get it undercover 542 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:48,550 they can't boss in a West Virginia in 543 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,220 other 30 minutes and I've touched it and 544 00:28:54,990 --> 00:28:53,200 he said what we have people who saw and 545 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:55,000 I've met with these witnesses and I come 546 00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:56,290 all the time I said do you understand 547 00:29:01,320 --> 00:28:59,290 the idea of diversion you understand the 548 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:01,330 idea that I feed you information I want 549 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:04,720 you to repeat and he looks at me and I 550 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:07,000 go you don't get this is the time the 551 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,370 military operators everything about were 552 00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,440 just they're not going to learn that it 553 00:29:15,690 --> 00:29:13,840 and they get over tough and they're 554 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:15,700 getting on the covers fast and they just 555 00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:17,410 happen in a facility they're built with 556 00:29:24,770 --> 00:29:21,070 black ops under 30 minutes from the 557 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:24,780 location why the hell would I take this 558 00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:27,250 as I've talked to people and got those 559 00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:28,990 of their work throughout Europe and they 560 00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:30,460 told me Cody that's where they cook and 561 00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:33,510 then they flew it for eight batters 562 00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:36,190 whoever else they wanted to go but 563 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:38,260 everything else is a diversion and these 564 00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:41,860 guys the problem of being so Trust is 565 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:46,750 it's easily one of the problems of 566 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:49,960 investigators for UFOs if I talk to you 567 00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:52,450 of a story given that you work against 568 00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,700 the logic of a story but you don't 569 00:29:59,580 --> 00:29:57,520 though does that make any sense for me 570 00:30:02,400 --> 00:29:59,590 from the position of the other person in 571 00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:02,410 the case the north her how does an okay 572 00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:06,460 to operate what wisdom the logic 573 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:07,990 question is is if I have to keep it 574 00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:09,610 under arrest why would I Drive in six 575 00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:11,350 hours when I can get it under covered 30 576 00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:16,000 minutes still logical to do it the way 577 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:19,960 they believe it's a cap and yet because 578 00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:21,640 I can make you want to see something 579 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:25,480 then we all say they always but it's 580 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:29,340 just part of the operations of war I 581 00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:31,690 school my Anna and this takes my 582 00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:37,660 animates the public so I actually talk 583 00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:39,640 to some people that worked or overheard 584 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:44,880 and they probably want to camp on so 585 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:46,740 they're not going to go on record 586 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:49,690 they're gonna go okay Cody going became 587 00:30:55,659 --> 00:30:51,710 boss and we understand why it was chaos 588 00:31:00,519 --> 00:30:55,669 yes Bigfoot because that your air filter 589 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:00,529 I can pie it right up that big they give 590 00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:03,590 a cargo plane and get it there and give 591 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:09,350 this quick Wow and and you can't see the 592 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:10,970 plane in the air you can see the plane 593 00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:14,330 she gets elliptic mm-hmm perfect truck 594 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:16,580 and move a flatbed truck so we get the 595 00:31:22,330 --> 00:31:19,610 film we actually created that entire 596 00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:22,340 trip we put our spaceship on the back of 597 00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:26,440 the truck and aerobic you can't boss 598 00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,169 well just to see what that trigger it's 599 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:32,480 mostly backroads and no one's gonna see 600 00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:35,049 it that's so cool 601 00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:37,460 we were able to drive that drive almost 602 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:43,820 nobody seems that's what some good also 603 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:44,690 true the point 604 00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:47,330 yeah that's we filmed it we use it in 605 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:49,460 the film briefly it's really funny we 606 00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:52,610 threw out there for an hour driving so 607 00:31:59,169 --> 00:31:56,390 the trusses will slower and we were in a 608 00:32:01,630 --> 00:31:59,179 convoy a vehicle and we were stopping 609 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:01,640 and filming and all that but when you do 610 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:12,409 that using two seconds done but it's 611 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:13,970 cool that you went to that to those 612 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:15,890 links you know that that's what's so 613 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:18,529 cool Cody you went to those links to 614 00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:21,289 actually check this out you know see the 615 00:32:26,289 --> 00:32:24,380 passage that is purportedly taken that's 616 00:32:28,899 --> 00:32:26,299 that's things that most Hollywood 617 00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:28,909 wouldn't do so mad props for that I 618 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:30,980 think that's really cool something that 619 00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:35,210 is interesting is the the astronomers 620 00:32:40,299 --> 00:32:37,460 involved both Canadian and here in the 621 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:40,309 United States I mean several articles 622 00:32:46,029 --> 00:32:42,049 were written about the quote unquote 623 00:32:49,419 --> 00:32:46,039 fireball in science journals and the 624 00:32:53,169 --> 00:32:49,429 trajectory was nearly at right angles to 625 00:32:56,139 --> 00:32:53,179 that proposed earlier by telescopes and 626 00:32:59,700 --> 00:32:56,149 things of that nature which would rule 627 00:33:03,549 --> 00:32:59,710 out the fact that it's just a fireball I 628 00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:03,559 mean I am I clearly admit I am NOT a 629 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:05,540 scientist 630 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:09,290 so you know we went in with the idea 631 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:11,300 we're making a film 632 00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:13,850 we know this I left a lot of the 633 00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:17,470 scientific stuff up to dr. Moulton and 634 00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:19,910 you know he said hey I can explain 635 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:22,880 anything to either side and I always 636 00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:24,050 thought that was an interesting painting 637 00:33:29,970 --> 00:33:26,060 an argument or anything I was yeah you 638 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:29,980 can um and so I picked I had just 639 00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:32,930 avoided that because I knew we were okay 640 00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:35,320 writing script or you know we've spent 641 00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:38,030 38 months of my life to get to the 642 00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:44,120 trainer and another couple here so when 643 00:33:51,850 --> 00:33:46,100 it's done it'll being roughly four years 644 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:51,860 of my life and you in this is a weird 645 00:33:56,890 --> 00:33:53,930 part you get for your behavior juices 646 00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,900 are pretty much more now I think it's 647 00:34:00,940 --> 00:33:58,640 like okay well can I do with this which 648 00:34:02,530 --> 00:34:00,950 I'm still doing a couple things and I 649 00:34:04,390 --> 00:34:02,540 don't even want to listen for this out 650 00:34:07,060 --> 00:34:04,400 and clean it up 651 00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:07,070 I don't even want to bother what happen 652 00:34:14,169 --> 00:34:11,960 that sounds horrible but it's I've been 653 00:34:15,610 --> 00:34:14,179 hearing them in my head non-stop from 654 00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:15,620 the time we wrote the words but when 655 00:34:24,970 --> 00:34:21,500 they oughta know me from now um so two 656 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:24,980 little plastic yeah yeah what's good for 657 00:34:33,460 --> 00:34:31,370 my wife I hear ya it's it's I think it's 658 00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:33,470 a really cool really cool thing that you 659 00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:37,280 did and I think that the the film as 660 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:40,790 well as the eyewitness accounts and many 661 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:42,770 of the claims by NASA the government and 662 00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:46,730 otherwise is it's nice to have both 663 00:34:51,220 --> 00:34:49,639 sides of the story and it's important 664 00:34:52,899 --> 00:34:51,230 for a lot of people that say oh it 665 00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,909 happened way back then it is what they 666 00:34:56,649 --> 00:34:55,040 said it is and that's that because 667 00:35:00,280 --> 00:34:56,659 that's not necessarily true 668 00:35:02,170 --> 00:35:00,290 as early as December 2005 a lawsuit was 669 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:02,180 filed to get NASA to search more 670 00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:04,970 diligently into the lost records and 671 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:08,540 what they found is that there was I 672 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:10,910 believe two huge boxes of records that 673 00:35:20,099 --> 00:35:16,930 were just gone surprising the best place 674 00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:20,109 didn't live probably somewhere 675 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:22,220 but that way they don't have to reveal 676 00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:28,670 them mm-hmm you know and all of that 677 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:29,750 makes me again 678 00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:31,910 this is sister Russian satellite okay we 679 00:35:36,420 --> 00:35:34,190 Brooke let's say it is and we broke the 680 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:36,430 treaty with the Russians and cares now 681 00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:38,890 we broke the treaty with the comments 682 00:35:48,099 --> 00:35:44,750 that don't longer exist okay you know 683 00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:48,109 why why why does that matter and again I 684 00:35:55,329 --> 00:35:49,520 would go back the same thing why the 685 00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:55,339 hell is 40 [\h__\h] caring about this why 686 00:36:02,349 --> 00:35:56,750 does it matter to her 687 00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:02,359 mm-hmm yeah that does your something on 688 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:08,150 going on and during the filming I'm 689 00:36:13,299 --> 00:36:09,650 assuming that you did have the 690 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:13,309 opportunity to possibly speak to people 691 00:36:19,299 --> 00:36:15,430 that were actual eyewitnesses or 692 00:36:23,609 --> 00:36:19,309 relatives of date we we did I mean we 693 00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:26,410 you know they would call us I would talk 694 00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,940 to her but we knew we were making a 695 00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:33,200 fictionalized story based on the real 696 00:36:41,530 --> 00:36:39,950 event so we didn't want that there's a 697 00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,540 lot of issues when you get in the film 698 00:36:46,809 --> 00:36:43,040 especially with intellectual property 699 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:46,819 rights that you want to limit you want 700 00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:48,260 to walk yourself off from certain 701 00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,900 decisions in conversation and it's 702 00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:53,359 horrible think okay when we're done 703 00:37:00,809 --> 00:36:56,119 filming like to talk them all on one but 704 00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,819 I tend to avoid having those discussions 705 00:37:06,849 --> 00:37:03,200 today we're calling me and I was looking 706 00:37:08,770 --> 00:37:06,859 to them and I go Kay and it didn't we 707 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:08,780 couldn't let it alter the script in any 708 00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:12,640 way so you know that that was that was 709 00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:16,400 important from a business standpoint but 710 00:37:21,069 --> 00:37:18,470 they were they were coming up on Tori 711 00:37:24,609 --> 00:37:21,079 and we wanted them at the premiere so 712 00:37:27,789 --> 00:37:24,619 when they call I say hey the score heavy 713 00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,799 pickets indicate some able we did talk 714 00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:29,599 to Mabel during filming and let her 715 00:37:37,890 --> 00:37:31,630 describe John Murphy 716 00:37:39,749 --> 00:37:37,900 to Magellan play numbers thus popular so 717 00:37:41,189 --> 00:37:39,759 that that was important I mean he was 718 00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:41,199 already in character and have 719 00:37:47,609 --> 00:37:44,380 established the character but it just 720 00:37:49,229 --> 00:37:47,619 gave him additionally our John Murphy's 721 00:37:51,959 --> 00:37:49,239 much better looking than the real John 722 00:37:56,939 --> 00:37:51,969 Murphy that's one to think navel point 723 00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:56,949 out since it's difficult because it's 724 00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:58,930 almost a cold trail that you're 725 00:38:07,949 --> 00:38:02,079 following not only from oh yeah yeah 726 00:38:09,989 --> 00:38:07,959 it's tough right yeah it's so you know 727 00:38:13,739 --> 00:38:09,999 are one of our goals listed to film in 728 00:38:15,779 --> 00:38:13,749 withdrawal attention and investigators 729 00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:15,789 have now be able to find new information 730 00:38:26,009 --> 00:38:20,640 or when you make it more public and 731 00:38:28,499 --> 00:38:26,019 harder for them to hide whatever one and 732 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:28,509 so we did a lot of stuff including even 733 00:38:33,539 --> 00:38:30,729 on the books it's raised as Hillary 734 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:33,549 Clinton okay because there's rittany 735 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:36,190 yeah if this was the secret ballot she 736 00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:39,430 saw and we put on the back that do her 737 00:38:48,089 --> 00:38:44,380 tireless efforts fun little fun with the 738 00:38:53,759 --> 00:38:48,099 whole situation um but that that's 739 00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:53,769 important to the because it's the thing 740 00:38:57,769 --> 00:38:55,660 that because I worked in politics where 741 00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,779 I talk to people in politics I go back 742 00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:00,160 and is something a program records but 743 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:04,440 it's I don't know I'm not in a position 744 00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,369 timewise to dig into it to get to 745 00:39:13,859 --> 00:39:12,160 whatever happened what I am in a 746 00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,869 position to do is go well there's 747 00:39:19,759 --> 00:39:16,079 something wrong there this matters that 748 00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:19,769 it it it definitely includes a very 749 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:23,680 secretive part of the US government and 750 00:39:30,689 --> 00:39:27,940 I think that that's kind of the problem 751 00:39:32,999 --> 00:39:30,699 with with this incident is they almost 752 00:39:38,339 --> 00:39:33,009 would have been better off doing nothing 753 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:38,349 because a lot of the conspiracy theory 754 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,910 and this grand unified idea that 755 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:44,320 something was being hidden 756 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:46,390 comes from the actions that were taken 757 00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:52,450 by the government State Police and one 758 00:39:56,340 --> 00:39:53,950 of the one of the things I wish we could 759 00:39:59,400 --> 00:39:56,350 have done was exclude and it was all 760 00:40:01,500 --> 00:39:59,410 budgetary decision the state plays in 761 00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:01,510 all those issues one the original 762 00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:05,380 scripts had references in Nazi bell 763 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:08,980 we had to remove those just putting poor 764 00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:12,010 off we wanted to visually print opening 765 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:17,260 screen now within a month so the film 766 00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:20,290 was constantly having to compromises 767 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:22,780 that we were too preferred not to have 768 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:28,690 to make but then we made on a quarter of 769 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:33,330 the budget we hope to make it so that 770 00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:40,090 happened this is in the process you know 771 00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,630 the effort I'm not like known to do that 772 00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:45,280 you know I looked at the investigative 773 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:48,580 stuff I like what in those cases I was 774 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:50,830 being strangled spending such incredible 775 00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:54,130 well that's what I like that's what I 776 00:41:01,080 --> 00:40:57,540 like about it Cody is your transparency 777 00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:01,090 it's like the exact opposite of you know 778 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:02,830 the government's lack of transparency 779 00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:04,570 and that's that's kind of a neat thing 780 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:07,950 about about what you're doing it appears 781 00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:12,130 Minoo a lot of researchers scientists I 782 00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:15,310 mean there's been lawsuits against it's 783 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:18,640 it's wild and these space agencies even 784 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:22,570 Space Command said that it was very 785 00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:24,910 unlikely they pointed out problems with 786 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:28,000 with this situation and if I'm not 787 00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:30,730 mistaken they they mentioned that it was 788 00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:33,990 very unlikely that this was a Russian 789 00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:38,800 satellite and I hate to say well when it 790 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:41,380 came down it I don't know why I keep 791 00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,180 saying the same Russian satellite or 792 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:46,560 know where it mm-hmm 793 00:41:55,260 --> 00:41:50,250 in the idea of transparency 794 00:41:57,690 --> 00:41:55,270 our film is focused on the Constitution 795 00:42:00,780 --> 00:41:57,700 and then it's on 796 00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:00,790 the reinfect the open scroll opens the 797 00:42:06,059 --> 00:42:03,510 pores of the Constitution that 798 00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:06,069 governments derive their powers from the 799 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:08,049 consent of the government had John 800 00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,150 Murphy believe that he believed it so 801 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:11,680 much that he died not on a battlefield 802 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:18,130 but on a lonely highway that something 803 00:42:25,799 --> 00:42:22,150 has went seriously wrong between 1945 804 00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:25,809 and the mid sixties and went seriously 805 00:42:32,430 --> 00:42:28,750 role in our country and that's the 806 00:42:35,609 --> 00:42:32,440 message that pervades throughout the 807 00:42:36,809 --> 00:42:35,619 song that because we made sure now we're 808 00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:36,819 all like drummer Murphy father better 809 00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:38,440 and it's filming making them better and 810 00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:41,260 we do it on purpose we make the fire 811 00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:43,619 chief of veterans who most likely was 812 00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:46,270 because most of those men served in 813 00:42:53,789 --> 00:42:51,069 World War two and that just this 814 00:43:00,900 --> 00:42:53,799 position between World War two and who 815 00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:00,910 we are now is the the Republic as we 816 00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:03,960 thought it was and this very spooky 817 00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:05,950 government section lies with young 818 00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:13,630 people and how did we get there you know 819 00:43:17,819 --> 00:43:16,660 it's been a gradual progress and he's 820 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:17,829 only wanted to go back to the 821 00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:18,970 Constitution 822 00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:23,260 and use that as LuAnn we have enough 823 00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:26,920 assaults in the trailer we have light we 824 00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:29,500 have a constitution and the bad guy just 825 00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:34,750 back what you have an illusion mm-hmm I 826 00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:36,670 think that's we expect from many ways 827 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:39,160 that that's okay I think it is yeah I 828 00:43:42,299 --> 00:43:40,450 think that's really cool that you 829 00:43:45,809 --> 00:43:42,309 incorporated that because that is 830 00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:45,819 exactly I mean not to go completely 1984 831 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:49,900 George Orwell on this but that's exactly 832 00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:53,890 the direction that we've taken since you 833 00:43:58,049 --> 00:43:56,200 know that day it's funny much although 834 00:44:00,720 --> 00:43:58,059 the reason or will predict a from a 835 00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:00,730 divorce because he titles fans thanks 836 00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:03,760 for the work and he goes there believing 837 00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,430 in ideals of the Spanish Republic he 838 00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:09,040 comes back and decides that everything 839 00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:11,579 he's been said well 840 00:44:20,749 --> 00:44:16,319 why thank you go to the play and Franco 841 00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:20,759 and he decides you know this idea of a 842 00:44:27,319 --> 00:44:24,200 constitutional monarchy in England or 843 00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:27,329 constitutional colours of America it's 844 00:44:33,529 --> 00:44:29,339 actually really good and all the things 845 00:44:36,289 --> 00:44:33,539 he hated making but it's really I read 846 00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:36,299 the book home [\h__\h] the Catalan which no 847 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:38,339 one reads prefer to read baby for an 848 00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:40,410 animal farm owner she's kind of run your 849 00:44:44,959 --> 00:44:42,049 word he talks about his transformation 850 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,969 and he said literally in coffee shops 851 00:44:48,709 --> 00:44:46,440 it's funny your belief people say a 852 00:44:50,779 --> 00:44:48,719 conscious thing whining about the 853 00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:50,789 wealthy and the aristocrats of England 854 00:44:59,199 --> 00:44:53,940 well protected by their eye asleep built 855 00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:01,549 them and by others in the past 856 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:04,200 that's Magna Carta and he realizes that 857 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:07,049 after years of saying that was actually 858 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:12,150 really good in comparison to what it 859 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:15,690 could be for the dreamers in Spain we're 860 00:45:21,259 --> 00:45:17,130 saying I'm going to use this for terror 861 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:21,269 that but that perfect erudite doesn't 862 00:45:25,969 --> 00:45:23,369 actually turn out that way because it's 863 00:45:28,489 --> 00:45:25,979 all based on power and control and you 864 00:45:30,229 --> 00:45:28,499 have no free that's all a lot some 865 00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:30,239 figure you know better than others 866 00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:34,680 that's where he learns what the ally of 867 00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:39,119 Marxism that people keep by for some 868 00:45:46,249 --> 00:45:42,209 reason I Carter's not giving the 869 00:45:51,049 --> 00:45:46,259 politics but you know the film can avoid 870 00:45:54,259 --> 00:45:51,059 Pollock and because government is the 871 00:45:57,319 --> 00:45:54,269 body politic so you have to touch on 872 00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,329 this and we try to do it as fairly in 873 00:46:02,029 --> 00:45:59,160 the middle as we click which is why you 874 00:46:04,809 --> 00:46:02,039 have I think things that would have 875 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:04,819 killed to both sides of the aisle 876 00:46:10,729 --> 00:46:07,650 because the things supposed to agree on 877 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:10,739 is this idea of the delivery this is 878 00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,140 cuz it makes us all get along as much as 879 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:21,119 we can agree me fix 880 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:22,529 I mean look like everybody makes each 881 00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,609 other it's awful you know but 882 00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,720 we've never been more divided as a 883 00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,760 country ever other than maybe the Civil 884 00:46:34,549 --> 00:46:31,440 War so I think that you'd nailed it I 885 00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:34,559 mean without these rules of engagement 886 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:38,099 between ourselves were kind of hung out 887 00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:41,010 to dry and I think that today we are 888 00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:43,079 looking at example like these set these 889 00:46:49,549 --> 00:46:44,700 claims such as Kecksburg and there's 890 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:49,559 others they aggressively I mean the way 891 00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:51,690 that these were I don't want to use the 892 00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,220 word cover up but that's what it was it 893 00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,440 seems everything we have and all 894 00:47:00,980 --> 00:46:57,680 everything's showing us what happened 895 00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:00,990 shows that there's times when these 896 00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,940 rules apply and there's times when 897 00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:04,619 they're thrown out the window and that's 898 00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:08,819 the big fear they forget if they're 899 00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,099 meant to be a government for the people 900 00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:13,440 by the people and of the people but 901 00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,660 there is governmental power function if 902 00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:17,220 instead of a joke that's what we open 903 00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:19,470 with that well we don't consent to 904 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:22,740 keeping these secrets and what I what 905 00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:26,970 right do they have to keep them so they 906 00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:28,920 use the guise of national security to 907 00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:34,430 cover everything up well at some point a 908 00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:38,160 republic has to the famous one who 909 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:41,640 watches the Watchers mm-hmm they need to 910 00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,130 answer the sunlight and they don't and 911 00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:48,720 they believe that they rule us 912 00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,390 and this goes this profound and deep 913 00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:54,720 survival founding in the country this 914 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:56,430 idea that we need to have a class of 915 00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:58,410 people who can keep secrets and roll 916 00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:00,359 things all the way back to the end using 917 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:02,609 the Quakers that was the way they used 918 00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:05,970 the world the scotch-irish Samantha the 919 00:48:15,130 --> 00:48:08,430 Bill of Rights along with the Virginia 920 00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:15,140 aristocrats and the structures have no 921 00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:17,640 Jim one did a wonderful confluence I 922 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:21,569 mean they have no intellectual way from 923 00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:24,210 that tiger so we while they did the 924 00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,710 fighting and maybe design and they were 925 00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:27,359 the group that mainly push the idea of 926 00:48:31,579 --> 00:48:29,940 Bill of Rights we don't give them any 927 00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:31,589 airline credit work because the 928 00:48:35,299 --> 00:48:33,990 Jefferson rights at Madison and the 929 00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,309 routine aristocrats but that's because 930 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:36,960 there's an alliance between it to it and 931 00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:38,710 I'm spoken a life 932 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:43,030 and so these ideas don't it's really 933 00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:44,290 funny because Western Pennsylvania's 934 00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:47,680 mainly culture and culture is absolutely 935 00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:49,600 Star Trek's doing the ethnic exposure 936 00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:54,520 and so their attitude the fact that they 937 00:49:03,990 --> 00:48:57,630 without interviewing Mabel that she said 938 00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:04,000 we have a constitution is exactly where 939 00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:06,280 their mindset was what do you mean we 940 00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:09,070 have rules and we paid for those rules 941 00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:11,230 of our blood you have no right to do 942 00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:15,720 this and it's played a role in your life 943 00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:19,120 you can lay down the masses technically 944 00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:22,030 of the 27 million scotch-irish but along 945 00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:23,620 the end the cultural people they're 946 00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:25,750 influenced by culture and that's who 947 00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:29,230 slip their votes and then on the other 948 00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:34,480 device and click the top and they're 949 00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:37,600 angry they're still they don't like the 950 00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:39,070 world as if it's what they wanted to be 951 00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:42,070 left alone until all these things take 952 00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:44,230 factor when you get into the scripts and 953 00:49:50,070 --> 00:49:47,230 you get into this I the shame for us was 954 00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:50,080 the script deserve one month and that's 955 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:52,060 nothing if the actors we had that's 956 00:50:02,670 --> 00:49:55,690 nothing is mainly production values well 957 00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,680 we probably came a done more but one 958 00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:04,240 little to raise the money we thought 959 00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:08,230 these photos that's what you do the best 960 00:50:15,810 --> 00:50:13,000 you can with them the perfect yeah man I 961 00:50:20,430 --> 00:50:15,820 think I I think that you covered it very 962 00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:20,440 well and the the Kecksburg UFO incident 963 00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:22,510 I mean to this day there is a festival 964 00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:27,000 yearly I think it's even put on by the 965 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:31,060 oh how cool how cool that is something I 966 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:33,010 would love to go to and I just think 967 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:36,490 it's cool that it's it's keeping the the 968 00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:39,370 flame lit and the spirit alive 969 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:43,990 and Cody your efforts are not lost on 970 00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:46,450 myself my listeners and in my opinion 971 00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:49,300 ufology in general I think your 972 00:50:52,349 --> 00:50:51,430 sacrifice and making the film your 973 00:50:54,359 --> 00:50:52,359 patriotism 974 00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:54,369 and your attention to detail covering 975 00:51:01,079 --> 00:50:57,420 the UFO incident is highly appreciated 976 00:51:02,999 --> 00:51:01,089 where can our listeners listen or look 977 00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:03,009 for what else you have going on things 978 00:51:08,009 --> 00:51:04,420 you've done in the past what you have 979 00:51:10,019 --> 00:51:08,019 coming up things of that nature or you 980 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:10,029 can find the book on Amazon it's under a 981 00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,410 check for fouls the if you go and find 982 00:51:20,299 --> 00:51:16,960 that the whole Facebook page that 983 00:51:24,029 --> 00:51:20,309 serious way but in your case for UFO 984 00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:24,039 movie.com that will have updates after 985 00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:25,359 we come back from the American film 986 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:29,680 worth it just to happen to be in LA they 987 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:30,970 can come over and see the film at the 988 00:51:35,370 --> 00:51:32,890 American Film Market I don't know what 989 00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:35,380 what they do is for getting people in 990 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:38,230 but we will be showing it there and 991 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:40,690 that's more of a clothes thing to buyers 992 00:51:47,970 --> 00:51:44,130 and people in the film industry and 993 00:51:50,339 --> 00:51:47,980 sometime after before Christmas we'll be 994 00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:50,349 announcing whether it's going to be 995 00:51:54,059 --> 00:51:51,369 available 996 00:51:56,009 --> 00:51:54,069 we're just waiting to to make sure we 997 00:51:59,789 --> 00:51:56,019 have what the next step is on 998 00:52:01,890 --> 00:51:59,799 distribution so and I've done I've done 999 00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:01,900 this is a fifth bill that I had total 1000 00:52:04,589 --> 00:52:03,940 else's person saw Basin I got released 1001 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:04,599 worldwide 1002 00:52:09,089 --> 00:52:06,910 there's no supermarkets and on an island 1003 00:52:11,609 --> 00:52:09,099 and all that so that was kind of cool 1004 00:52:16,349 --> 00:52:11,619 but if they can find me on Facebook 1005 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:16,359 that's easily accessible man it's 1006 00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:16,930 awesome 1007 00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:19,180 I appreciate you being on the podcast 1008 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:21,190 given us some of the secrets of the 1009 00:52:25,470 --> 00:52:23,890 incident and and just all your efforts I 1010 00:52:26,999 --> 00:52:25,480 mean you've wholeheartedly attacked this 1011 00:52:30,269 --> 00:52:27,009 I think in the best way that it's been 1012 00:52:35,579 --> 00:52:30,279 attacked yet and absolutely appreciate 1013 00:52:38,819 --> 00:52:35,589 you coming on Cody have a great one 1014 00:52:41,579 --> 00:52:38,829 take care his efforts are not lost on me 1015 00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:41,589 and I think the important thing that 1016 00:52:46,109 --> 00:52:43,619 Cody brings to the table is that 1017 00:52:50,009 --> 00:52:46,119 realization what our country was founded 1018 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:50,019 on we have rules that are meant to be 1019 00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:54,210 followed and so often the power pyramid 1020 00:53:00,450 --> 00:52:57,880 those in control and the ones who govern 1021 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:00,460 others whether that be considered the 1022 00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:03,970 elite class or as I recently heard 1023 00:53:07,330 --> 00:53:04,640 coined 1024 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:07,340 the predator class sometimes take 1025 00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:09,890 advantage of the power that they yield 1026 00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:13,070 and despite what side of the aisle 1027 00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:15,350 you're on I think the important thing to 1028 00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:19,580 remember is that we need these rules not 1029 00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:22,880 only to get along but to keep what we 1030 00:53:31,210 --> 00:53:26,990 have and what we have is pretty special 1031 00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:31,220 in this country and to let that go to 1032 00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,230 waste the way often times happens due to 1033 00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:38,960 power is the worst thing that could 1034 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:43,910 possibly happen to us so in the sense of 1035 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:47,090 patriotism I'd like to really thank Cody 1036 00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:50,210 for coming on the show he sacrificed a 1037 00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,180 lot in making this film and he's 1038 00:54:00,730 --> 00:53:56,960 detailed a lot of the incident covering 1039 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:00,740 it and covering the eyewitness accounts 1040 00:54:07,780 --> 00:54:04,370 the people involved the synchronicities 1041 00:54:11,710 --> 00:54:07,790 or the bad coincidences of how those 1042 00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:11,720 most highly involved lost their lives it 1043 00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:18,140 is really pretty pretty sad that these 1044 00:54:22,570 --> 00:54:20,510 things take place historically and and 1045 00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:22,580 they leave us with a little bit of 1046 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:27,140 distrust of those who govern us but such 1047 00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:30,650 is such is the dilemma with the power 1048 00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:33,710 pyramid those above you hold more power 1049 00:54:39,790 --> 00:54:36,920 and there is some trust that can be lost 1050 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:39,800 on that I try to remain positive 1051 00:54:45,790 --> 00:54:42,890 I think Cody does the same and I 1052 00:54:48,880 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